Responses from the Yahoo H-Modified
Group: hmod@yahoogroups.com
(11-4-08) From David A. Hueppchen:
"Roll bars add weight? Surplus
of drivers? It reminds me of my Crosley Spl. when I first got it. It had
a square-cornered roll bar. Picture me in it looking like yer photo with
a roll bar going accross under my shoulder blades."
(11-4-08) From Tim Foster:
"Do you know what region the car was
from? That sure looks similar to the body (apparently a Fibersport)
ON
MY CAR.
Hard to tell without seeing the front,
but the rear looks very similar to the second generation Fibersport.. then
again it could also be a very early Jabro.. they had a similar rear."
(11-4-08) From Tom Churchill:
"Hi Group in particular SoCal members.
The H-Mod that Tam is asking about is clearly named "The Full House Mouse".
I have seen other pictures of this car. Someone in this group should have
much more knowledge of this car."
(11-5-08) From Derek ...
"The implication of the name 'Full House
Mouse' is that it was based on a Fiat 500, affectionately known as 'Topolino'.
(Topolino = Little Mouse in Italian). The Fiat 500 chassis was a
popular base for specials in the '40s and early '50s. The early Cooper
500s were a classic example, not forgetting the many variants that ran
in the Mille Miglia. I'm 99% sure those wheels are Fiat 500. This
should narrow the search a bit.
(11-5-08) From Marty Stein:
"The use of "Topolino" stuff as a basis
for race cars was widespread in the 50s. For example, Siata, Bandini, Giaur,
Moretti, Nardi, and likely a host of other even more obscure Italian cars
were built using some of the components from the various 500cc cars.
I'm not certain it is totally correct
to use the designation "Topolino" though. I thought that name referred
to the pre-war 500. I don't know much about the mechanicals of these although
I have seen hotrods built on the chassis and body and have scale models
of them so I know what they look like.
The post-war cars were generally known
as "Cinqucentos" (500 in Italian), and were further designated by letters
after the 500, though not necessarily badged differently as far as I could
tell. There are still thousands of these in Italy, and almost all I have
seen are in good condition (including restorations) and are used as daily
drivers, particularly within the walls of the old villages and cities.
I don't really know what differences
there are between the chassis, brakes, suspensions, trannys and difs, and
steering bits between these and the pre-war cars, but suspect there were
many and that they are non-trivial. These are the bits most commonly used
for post-war H-Mod race cars."
(11-8-08) From Ed...
"Bob Foley wrote "Inboard Racing - A
Wild Ride" Author House, 2006. His Crosley powered boat, built about 1956,
was registered with APBA as #69-Y "Full House Mouse".
Several owners of this boat kept the
name. Foley bought "Full House Mouse" in 1967, and ran it through
1979. A photo on pg.24 of the book documents the name, but the script
is unlike that of the car #157 HM under discussion.
Does anyone recall whether the previous
owners of the boat (E.M Remund, Cecil Oswald, John Lyle) perhaps become
interested in cars and used the name again? The rhythm of the name may
have prompted use in other venues without Topolino connection.
The wheels on Car #157 in the pic do
indeed look like Topolino wheels. The boat, however, had no Topo or other
Fiat parts at all; it did have Nardi aluminum rods till they cracked. Any
Crosley racing freaks definitely should get a copy of Foley's book."
(11-11-08) From Michael Jacobsen:
"The Red #157 (the Full House Mouse)
is a Crosley Special; perhaps taken at Montgomery Field. Nice body
that imitated Randy McDougall's 1100 OSCA."
(11-13-08) From Ken (Docc)
Intrieri
"Yes.., A Crosley special without
a roll bar. Well at least the pilot has a safety STOGGIE to protect him
! Oh the good old days..cigar chompin'... head stickin' out... wonderful
days..! Love the site !! Thanks for all you do."
(11-12-08) From Vince Howlett
(Posted on Atlas F1 "Nostalgia
Forum")
"Apparently there was a Tommy Jamieson
of Burbank who raced a #157 Simca-Crosley in H Modified in 1955-1956 (Palm
Springs, Paramount Ranch, etc). Maybe him?"
(11-19-08) From Derek...
(hmod@yahoogroups.com)
"This is a useful piece of information
that tells the story: definitely Fiat underpinnings, presumably powered
by Crosley. In the immediate pre- and postwar years Simcas were Fiats
built under licence. In France the Fiat 500 became the Simca 5 and
the Fiat Balilla 1100 became the Simca 8. The early Gordinis were based
on Simca-built Fiats and ran as Simcas."
(11-19-08) From Randall J.
McConnell: (hmod@yahoogroups.com)
"That's very timely information, I was
just about to post a reply asking what Simca components might have been
used in the making of the Mouse. It also explains why bodies variously
described as Fiat or Simca looked pretty much the same when used in fuel
altered drag racing classes and competition coupe Bonneville classes.
Of course, that's a reference to the pre-war Topolino and Simca bodies."
(11-17-08) From racing historian
Ron Cummings:
"Peter McKercher's photo of the Full
House Mouse car #157 H Modified looks, to me, like Palm Springs.
There is a photo of the car, credited to Al Moss, in "Paramount Ranch Remembered"
by Art Evans on pg. 38.
The car is listed in the CalClub Paramount
Ranch race program of August 18-19, 1956 as: #157 Jamieson,
Thomas Burbank (California) Simca-Crosley
748cc. H Modified.
The car finished 17th overall and 4th
in H Modified in Saturday's under 1500cc modified race. It is listed
as a DNF in Sunday's race due to a thrown rod.
The car is also listed in the CalClub
Paramount Ranch race program of March 9-10, 1957 as: #157 Tommy Jamieson
Burbank (California) Simca-Crosley Orange
748cc. H Modified. The car does not show up in the results
sheets for this race weekend printed in Art's book." |